{"id":1138492,"date":"2025-05-21T08:22:51","date_gmt":"2025-05-21T15:22:51","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.microsoft.com\/en-us\/research\/?p=1138492"},"modified":"2025-07-17T08:40:41","modified_gmt":"2025-07-17T15:40:41","slug":"abstracts-aurora-with-megan-stanley-and-wessel-bruinsma","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.microsoft.com\/en-us\/research\/podcast\/abstracts-aurora-with-megan-stanley-and-wessel-bruinsma\/","title":{"rendered":"Abstracts: Aurora with Megan Stanley and Wessel Bruinsma"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1400\" height=\"788\" src=\"https:\/\/www.microsoft.com\/en-us\/research\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/05\/Aurora_Wessel-and-Megan_Abstracts_Hero_Feature_No_Text_1400x788_.jpg\" alt=\"Abstracts podcast | Aurora with Megan Stanley and Wessel Bruinsma\" class=\"wp-image-1139936\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.microsoft.com\/en-us\/research\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/05\/Aurora_Wessel-and-Megan_Abstracts_Hero_Feature_No_Text_1400x788_.jpg 1400w, https:\/\/www.microsoft.com\/en-us\/research\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/05\/Aurora_Wessel-and-Megan_Abstracts_Hero_Feature_No_Text_1400x788_-300x169.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.microsoft.com\/en-us\/research\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/05\/Aurora_Wessel-and-Megan_Abstracts_Hero_Feature_No_Text_1400x788_-1024x576.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/www.microsoft.com\/en-us\/research\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/05\/Aurora_Wessel-and-Megan_Abstracts_Hero_Feature_No_Text_1400x788_-768x432.jpg 768w, https:\/\/www.microsoft.com\/en-us\/research\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/05\/Aurora_Wessel-and-Megan_Abstracts_Hero_Feature_No_Text_1400x788_-1066x600.jpg 1066w, https:\/\/www.microsoft.com\/en-us\/research\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/05\/Aurora_Wessel-and-Megan_Abstracts_Hero_Feature_No_Text_1400x788_-655x368.jpg 655w, https:\/\/www.microsoft.com\/en-us\/research\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/05\/Aurora_Wessel-and-Megan_Abstracts_Hero_Feature_No_Text_1400x788_-240x135.jpg 240w, https:\/\/www.microsoft.com\/en-us\/research\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/05\/Aurora_Wessel-and-Megan_Abstracts_Hero_Feature_No_Text_1400x788_-640x360.jpg 640w, https:\/\/www.microsoft.com\/en-us\/research\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/05\/Aurora_Wessel-and-Megan_Abstracts_Hero_Feature_No_Text_1400x788_-960x540.jpg 960w, https:\/\/www.microsoft.com\/en-us\/research\/wp-content\/uploads\/2025\/05\/Aurora_Wessel-and-Megan_Abstracts_Hero_Feature_No_Text_1400x788_-1280x720.jpg 1280w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1400px) 100vw, 1400px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-msr-podcast-container my-4\">\n\t<iframe loading=\"lazy\" src=\"https:\/\/player.blubrry.com\/?podcast_id=145191854&modern=1\" class=\"podcast-player\" frameborder=\"0\" height=\"164px\" width=\"100%\" scrolling=\"no\" title=\"Podcast Player\"><\/iframe>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<p>Members of the research community at Microsoft work continuously to advance their respective fields.<em> Abstracts <\/em>brings its audience to the cutting edge with them through short, compelling conversations about new and noteworthy achievements.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>In this episode of <em>Abstracts<\/em>, Microsoft senior researchers Megan Stanley and Wessel Bruinsma join host Amber Tingle to discuss their groundbreaking work on environmental forecasting. Their new <a href=\"https:\/\/www.microsoft.com\/en-us\/research\/publication\/aurora-a-foundation-model-for-the-earth-system\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\"><em>Nature<\/em> publication, &#8220;A Foundation Model for the Earth System,&#8221;<\/a> features Aurora, an AI model that redefines weather prediction and extends its capabilities to other environmental domains such as tropical cyclones and ocean wave forecasting.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-buttons is-layout-flex wp-block-buttons-is-layout-flex\">\n<div class=\"wp-block-button\"><a data-bi-type=\"button\" class=\"wp-block-button__link wp-element-button\" href=\"https:\/\/www.microsoft.com\/en-us\/research\/publication\/aurora-a-foundation-model-for-the-earth-system\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Read the paper<\/a><\/div>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-button is-style-outline is-style-outline--1\"><a data-bi-type=\"button\" class=\"wp-block-button__link wp-element-button\" href=\"https:\/\/ai.azure.com\/labs\/projects\/aurora\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Explore Aurora<\/a><\/div>\n<\/div>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity\"\/>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading h5\" id=\"learn-more\">Learn more<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p><a class=\"msr-external-link glyph-append glyph-append-open-in-new-tab glyph-append-xsmall\" href=\"https:\/\/www.nature.com\/articles\/s41586-025-09005-y\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">A foundation model for the Earth system<span class=\"sr-only\"> (opens in new tab)<\/span><\/a><br>Nature | May 2025<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.microsoft.com\/en-us\/research\/blog\/introducing-aurora-the-first-large-scale-foundation-model-of-the-atmosphere\/\">Introducing Aurora: The first large-scale foundation model of the atmosphere<\/a><br>Microsoft Research Blog | June 2024<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.microsoft.com\/en-us\/research\/video\/project-aurora-the-first-large-scale-foundation-model-of-the-atmosphere\/\">Project Aurora: The first large-scale foundation model of the atmosphere<\/a><br>Video | September 2024<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a class=\"msr-external-link glyph-append glyph-append-open-in-new-tab glyph-append-xsmall\" href=\"https:\/\/arxiv.org\/abs\/2405.13063\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">A Foundation Model for the Earth System<span class=\"sr-only\"> (opens in new tab)<\/span><\/a><br>arXiv | November 2024<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a class=\"msr-external-link glyph-append glyph-append-open-in-new-tab glyph-append-xsmall\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\" target=\"_blank\" href=\"https:\/\/ai.azure.com\/labs\/projects\/aurora\">Aurora<span class=\"sr-only\"> (opens in new tab)<\/span><\/a><br>Azure AI Foundry Labs<\/p>\n\n\n\n<div style=\"height:25px\" aria-hidden=\"true\" class=\"wp-block-spacer\"><\/div>\n\n\n\n<section 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I\u2019m Amber Tingle. In this series, members of the research community at Microsoft give us a quick snapshot\u2014or a <em>podcast abstract<\/em>\u2014of their new and noteworthy papers.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>[MUSIC FADES]&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Our guests today are Megan Stanley and Wessel Bruinsma. They are both senior researchers within the Microsoft Research AI for Science initiative. They are also two of the coauthors on a new <em>Nature<\/em> publication called \u201c<a href=\"https:\/\/www.microsoft.com\/en-us\/research\/publication\/aurora-a-foundation-model-for-the-earth-system\/\">A Foundation Model for the Earth System<\/a>.\u201d<\/p>\n\n\n\n\t\t\t\t<\/span>\n\t\t\t\t<span id=\"show-more-show-less-toggle-2\" class=\"show-more-show-less-toggleable-content\">\n\t\t\t\t\t\n\n\n\n<p>This is such exciting work about environmental forecasting, so we&#8217;re happy to have the two of you join us today.&nbsp;&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Megan and Wessel, welcome.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>MEGAN STANLEY:<\/strong> Thank you. Thanks. Great to be here.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>WESSEL BRUINSMA:<\/strong> Thanks.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>TINGLE:<\/strong> Let&#8217;s jump right in. Wessel, share a bit about the problem your research addresses and why this work is so important.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>BRUINSMA:<\/strong> I think we&#8217;re all very much aware of the revolution that&#8217;s happening in the space of large language models, which have just become so strong. What&#8217;s perhaps lesser well-known is that machine learning models have also started to revolutionize this field of weather prediction. Whereas traditional weather prediction models, based on physical laws, used to be the state of the art, these traditional models are now challenged and often even outperformed by AI models. &nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>This advancement is super impressive and really a big deal. Mostly because AI weather forecasting models are computationally much more efficient and can even be more accurate. What&#8217;s unfortunate though, about this big step forward, is that these developments are mostly limited to the setting of weather forecasting.&nbsp;&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Weather forecasting is very important, obviously, but there are many other important environmental forecasting problems out there, such as air pollution forecasting or ocean wave forecasting. We have developed a model, named Aurora, which really kicks the AI revolution in weather forecasting into the next gear by extending these advancements to other environmental forecasting fields, too. With Aurora, we&#8217;re now able to produce state-of-the-art air pollution forecasts using an AI approach. And that wasn&#8217;t possible before!&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>TINGLE:<\/strong> Megan, how does this approach differ from or build on work that&#8217;s already been done in the atmospheric sciences?&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>STANLEY:<\/strong> Current approaches have really focused training very specifically on weather forecasting models. And in contrast, with Aurora, what we&#8217;ve attempted to do is train a so-called foundation model for the Earth system. In the first step, we train Aurora on a vast body of Earth system data. This is our pretraining step. &nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>And when I say a vast body of data, I really do mean a lot. And the purpose of this pretraining is to let Aurora, kind of, learn some general-purpose representation of the dynamics that govern the Earth system. But then once we&#8217;ve pretrained Aurora, and this really is the crux of this, the reason why we&#8217;re doing this project, is after the model has been pretrained, it can leverage this learned general-purpose representation and efficiently adapt to new tasks, new domains, new variables. And this is called fine-tuning.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The idea is that the model really uses the learned representation to perform this adaptation very efficiently, which basically means Aurora is a powerful, flexible model that can relatively cheaply be adapted to any environmental forecasting task.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>TINGLE:<\/strong> Wessel, can you tell us about your methodology? How did you all conduct this research?&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>BRUINSMA:<\/strong> While approaches so far have trained models on primarily one particular data<s> <\/s>set, this one dataset is very large, which makes it possible to train very good models. But it does remain only one dataset, and that&#8217;s not very diverse. In the domain of environmental forecasting, we have really tried to push the limits of scaling to large data by training Aurora on not just this one large dataset, but on as many very large datasets as we could find.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>These datasets are a combination of estimates of the historical state of the world, forecasts by other models, climate simulations, and more. We&#8217;ve been able to show that training on not just more data but more diverse data helps the model achieve even better performance. Showing this is difficult because there is just so much <em>data<\/em>. &nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>In addition to scaling to more and more diverse data, we also increased the size of the model as much as we could. Here we found that bigger models, despite being slower to run, make more efficient use of computational resources. It&#8217;s cheaper to train a good big model than a good small model. The mantra of this project was to really keep it simple and to scale to simultaneously very large and, more importantly, diverse data and large model size.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>TINGLE:<\/strong> So, Megan, what were your major findings? And we know they&#8217;re major because they&#8217;re in <em>N<\/em><em>ature<\/em>. [LAUGHS]&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><strong>STANLEY:<\/strong> Yeah, [LAUGHS] I guess they really are. So the main outcome of this project is we were actually able to train a single foundation model that achieves state-of-the-art performance in four different domains. Air pollution forecasting. For example, predicting particulate matter near the surface or ozone in the atmosphere. 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