{"id":442827,"date":"2017-12-04T06:05:03","date_gmt":"2017-12-04T14:05:03","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.microsoft.com\/en-us\/research\/?p=442827"},"modified":"2023-05-01T11:38:41","modified_gmt":"2023-05-01T18:38:41","slug":"snippets-revolution-interview-dr-jaime-teevan","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.microsoft.com\/en-us\/research\/podcast\/snippets-revolution-interview-dr-jaime-teevan\/","title":{"rendered":"Snippets from the Revolution \u2013 An Interview with Dr. Jaime Teevan"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image alignright size-medium\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.microsoft.com\/en-us\/research\/people\/teevan\/\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"300\" height=\"200\" src=\"https:\/\/www.microsoft.com\/en-us\/research\/uploads\/prod\/2017\/12\/BlogPost_600x400_Jaime_Podcast-300x200.jpg\" alt=\"photo of Jaime Teevan \u2013 Principal Researcher, Research Manager, Microsoft Research\" class=\"wp-image-446031\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.microsoft.com\/en-us\/research\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/12\/BlogPost_600x400_Jaime_Podcast-300x200.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.microsoft.com\/en-us\/research\/wp-content\/uploads\/2017\/12\/BlogPost_600x400_Jaime_Podcast.jpg 600w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Jaime Teevan \u2013 Principal Researcher, Research Manager, Microsoft Research<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<h3 id=\"episode-1-november-28-2017\" class=\"wp-block-heading\">Episode 1, November 28, 2017<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.microsoft.com\/en-us\/research\/people\/teevan\/\">Dr. Jaime Teevan<\/a> has a lot to say about productivity in a fragmented culture, and some solutions that seem promising, if somewhat counterintuitive.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Dr. Teevan is a Microsoft researcher, University of Washington Affiliate Professor, and the mother of 4 young boys. Today she talks about what she calls the productivity revolution, and explains how her research in micro-productivity \u2013 making use of short fragments of time to help us accomplish larger tasks &#8211; could help us be more productive, and experience a better quality of life at the same time.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h3 id=\"related\" class=\"wp-block-heading\">Related:<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.microsoft.com\/en-us\/research\/podcast\">Microsoft Research Podcast<\/a>: Visit our podcast page on Microsoft.com<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><a class=\"msr-external-link glyph-append glyph-append-open-in-new-tab glyph-append-xsmall\" href=\"https:\/\/itunes.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/microsoft-research-a-podcast\/id1318021537?mt=2\">iTunes<span class=\"sr-only\"> (opens in new tab)<\/span><\/a>: Subscribe and listen to new podcasts each week on iTunes<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><a class=\"msr-external-link glyph-append glyph-append-open-in-new-tab glyph-append-xsmall\" href=\"https:\/\/subscribebyemail.com\/www.blubrry.com\/feeds\/microsoftresearch.xml\">Email<span class=\"sr-only\"> (opens in new tab)<\/span><\/a>: Subscribe and listen by email<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><a class=\"msr-external-link glyph-append glyph-append-open-in-new-tab glyph-append-xsmall\" href=\"https:\/\/subscribeonandroid.com\/www.blubrry.com\/feeds\/microsoftresearch.xml\">Android<span class=\"sr-only\"> (opens in new tab)<\/span><\/a>: Subscribe and listen on Android<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><a class=\"msr-external-link glyph-append glyph-append-open-in-new-tab glyph-append-xsmall\" href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/4ndjUXyL0hH1FXHgwIiTWU\">Spotify<span class=\"sr-only\"> (opens in new tab)<\/span><\/a>: Listen on Spotify<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><a class=\"msr-external-link glyph-append glyph-append-open-in-new-tab glyph-append-xsmall\" href=\"https:\/\/www.blubrry.com\/feeds\/microsoftresearch.xml\">RSS feed<span class=\"sr-only\"> (opens in new tab)<\/span><\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<hr class=\"wp-block-separator has-alpha-channel-opacity\"\/>\n\n\n\n<h3 id=\"podcast-transcript\" class=\"wp-block-heading\">Podcast transcript<\/h3>\n\n\n\n<p><span style=\"margin: 0px; color: #333333; font-family: 'Georgia',serif; font-size: 12pt;\">Jaime Teevan: You know, sometimes when people hear about the work that I\u2019m doing, about sort of taking these tasks and fragmenting them, and helping us make use of our mobile time, they\u2019re like, Jaime, you\u2019re going to ruin my life. I\u2019m going to have work all the time. It\u2019s like all of a sudden, I can\u2019t like sit quietly in line at Starbucks? I have to be doing work then, too? And that\u2019s not actually what I\u2019m trying to do.<\/span><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><b><span style=\"margin: 0px; color: #333333; font-family: 'Georgia',serif; font-size: 12pt;\">Host: You\u2019re listening to the Microsoft Research Podcast, a show that brings you closer to the cutting edge of technology research and the scientists behind it. I\u2019m your host Gretchen Huizinga.<\/span><\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><b><span style=\"margin: 0px; color: #333333; font-family: 'Georgia',serif; font-size: 12pt;\">Our guest today has a lot to say about productivity in a fragmented culture, and some solutions that seem promising, if somewhat counterintuitive. Dr. <\/span><\/b><b><span style=\"margin: 0px; color: black; font-family: 'Georgia',serif; font-size: 12pt;\">Jaime Teevan<\/span><\/b><b><span style=\"margin: 0px; color: #333333; font-family: 'Georgia',serif; font-size: 12pt;\"> is a Microsoft researcher, University of Washington affiliate professor, and the mother of 4 young boys. Today, she talks about what she calls the productivity revolution<\/span><\/b><span style=\"margin: 0px; color: #333333; font-family: 'Georgia',serif; font-size: 12pt;\">,<b> and explains how her research in micro-productivity, making use of short fragments of time to help us accomplish larger tasks, could help us be more productive and experience a better quality of life at the same time. That, and much more, on this episode of the Microsoft Research Podcast. <\/b><\/span><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><b><span style=\"margin: 0px; color: #333333; font-family: 'Georgia',serif; font-size: 12pt;\">Host: Hey, Jaime.<\/span><\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><span style=\"margin: 0px; color: #333333; font-family: 'Georgia',serif; font-size: 12pt;\">Jaime Teevan: Hi, Gretchen.<\/span><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><b><span style=\"margin: 0px; color: #333333; font-family: 'Georgia',serif; font-size: 12pt;\">Host: Give the listeners a short description of the research you do.<\/span><\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><span style=\"margin: 0px; color: #333333; font-family: 'Georgia',serif; font-size: 12pt;\">Jaime Teevan: I do research thinking about how to use artificial intelligence to make people more productive. So, I\u2019m essentially thinking about how you can complete your tasks better, by working with the computer.<\/span><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><b><span style=\"margin: 0px; color: #333333; font-family: 'Georgia',serif; font-size: 12pt;\">Host: Your research addresses solutions to getting work done in an era of fragmentation.<\/span><\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><span style=\"margin: 0px; color: #333333; font-family: 'Georgia',serif; font-size: 12pt;\">Jaime Teevan: Yes.<\/span><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><b><span style=\"margin: 0px; color: #333333; font-family: 'Georgia',serif; font-size: 12pt;\">Host: At least in part. Why do you think things are so fragmented now, and is how it different like \u201cbad attention spans\u201d of previous eras?<\/span><\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><span style=\"margin: 0px; color: #333333; font-family: 'Georgia',serif; font-size: 12pt;\">Jaime Teevan: Well, so certainly things are very fragmented right now in that we get a lot of interruptions. We actually do a lot of self-interruptions as well. We might be sitting at our computer, and you\u2019ll get a little toast notification telling you you have new mail. And you\u2019ll be like, oh, I want to check that. Or your phone might beep to tell you somebody mentioned you on Facebook. And you\u2019ll go check that. Or your phone will ring. Or somebody will swing by your office and want to talk. So, there\u2019s all sorts of interruptions that are available not just from the people around us, but also from our electronic devices. Things are also fragmented partly because we have mobility. So, we have access to information and our work anywhere we are. If we\u2019re at a meeting or if we\u2019re standing in line at Starbucks, or if we\u2019re you know commuting home, we have access to information about our work available there.<\/span><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><b><span style=\"margin: 0px; color: #333333; font-family: 'Georgia',serif; font-size: 12pt;\">Host: Which is why you see everybody with their head in their phone.<\/span><\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><span style=\"margin: 0px; color: #333333; font-family: 'Georgia',serif; font-size: 12pt;\">Jaime Teevan: Which is why you see everybody with their head in their phone.<\/span><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><b><span style=\"margin: 0px; color: #333333; font-family: 'Georgia',serif; font-size: 12pt;\">Host: Is it different? Has technology affected the kind of fragmentation we experience?<\/span><\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><span style=\"margin: 0px; color: #333333; font-family: 'Georgia',serif; font-size: 12pt;\">Jaime Teevan: So, it\u2019s certainly different in the short term, in that kind of traditional industrialized information work has been really focused on having these good solid blocks of time for us to get work done. We push towards that. That\u2019s how our schools are developed. That\u2019s how our work is structured. And we try hard to kind of cling to that. We block large chunks of time on our calendar so that we can &#8211; you know, as focused work time. Or we take Facebook vacations or email vacations. We work really hard to get sort of unfragmented time. But in some ways, when you look WAY back, sort of pre-industrial revolution, you\u2019ll actually see that we could &#8211; we attended &#8211; this kind of fragmentation or lack of attention is a positive thing. If you think about hunter gatherers, it\u2019s a good thing to be attending to the bobcat in the woods that might be harmful for you. So that kind of fragmentation is actually a good thing. It\u2019s the way we work. And so that\u2019s what we\u2019re trying to do with our research. The thing that people are doing right now in the face of this fragmentation is essentially trying to force themselves to work in an unfragmented manner. And what we\u2019re trying to do instead is shatter the tasks. Fragment the tasks, and then have them go and match the way that we\u2019re actually working. So we take these large, complex tasks and break them down into small little pieces so that we can start inserting them into the holes.<\/span><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><b><span style=\"margin: 0px; color: #333333; font-family: 'Georgia',serif; font-size: 12pt;\">Host: Let me go back to something you said in a paper that I read. You observed that we seem to be in a constant battle with ourselves for our own attention. <\/span><\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><span style=\"margin: 0px; color: #333333; font-family: 'Georgia',serif; font-size: 12pt;\">Jaime Teevan: Yes.<\/span><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><b><span style=\"margin: 0px; color: #333333; font-family: 'Georgia',serif; font-size: 12pt;\">Host: And your research is in part at least providing technological solutions to that. And you\u2019ve alluded to that just now. But talk a little more about &#8211; I\u2019m a writer with 6 open browser tabs. You have my full attention. <\/span><\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><span style=\"margin: 0px; color: #333333; font-family: 'Georgia',serif; font-size: 12pt;\">Jaime Teevan: Yeah. Actually, it\u2019s kind of interesting. Even when you think you\u2019ve got, you\u2019re focused and paying attention, you have 6 open browser tabs. So we actually self-interrupt in that way as well, not just going to attend to email. But we only focus on any window that\u2019s shown to us for like less than a minute, you know? So as you\u2019re working, you\u2019re switching between applications. You\u2019re switching across things as well. And actually, each of these little things that you do are essentially a micro task that works to make part of your larger task that you\u2019re doing. And what\u2019s important in order to be able to move between those micro tasks, is to kind of model and understand the context that\u2019s in your head that\u2019s necessary to complete that task, and make sure that\u2019s available to you when you move onto the next step.<\/span><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><b><span style=\"margin: 0px; color: #333333; font-family: 'Georgia',serif; font-size: 12pt;\">Host: So people have complained that technology is making us distracted. We can\u2019t sustain attention. We sometimes need to. However, I\u2019ve read studies that show or say, suggest &#8211; I think you can\u2019t say show. And that we actually should schedule in breaks and should schedule &#8211; so does that &#8211; I was reading that, you know, aside from anything you\u2019d done. And then I got to your stuff, and I\u2019m going, okay, wait. This sounds like it goes together. <\/span><\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><span style=\"margin: 0px; color: #333333; font-family: 'Georgia',serif; font-size: 12pt;\">Jaime Teevan: Yeah, it does, actually. So you know, sometimes when people hear about the work that I\u2019m doing, about sort of taking these tasks and fragmenting them and helping us make use of our mobile time, they\u2019re like, Jaime, you\u2019re going to ruin my life. I\u2019m going to have work all the time. It\u2019s like all of a sudden, I can\u2019t sit quietly in line at Starbucks? I have to be doing work then too? And that\u2019s not actually what I\u2019m trying to do. We want to make people efficient at doing tasks, partly by helping them replenish and recover as well. And so we\u2019ve done a lot of research that shows breaks are really important, and that we can also help guide people. Not only guide people into being very productive and getting tasks done, but also guide people\u2019s state of mind to help them be calm, to help them replenish, to help them get into where they need to be. There was one study we did where we turned off everybody\u2019s access to Facebook for you know the whole day. We had people kind of list their distracted applications and turn them off for the whole day. And we you know did this over an extended period of time and we looked at how it impacted them. And it drove them crazy. And it made them so much less productive because it was just very stressful not to be able to take breaks or get away or relax. And you can be intentional about those breaks. Sitting and playing Angry Birds is not necessarily the most, the best way to kind of replenish your cognitive resources. Things like taking a walk outside are a really good way to do that.<\/span><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><b><span style=\"margin: 0px; color: #333333; font-family: 'Georgia',serif; font-size: 12pt;\">Host: Clifford Nass and Stanford did a study on multitasking. <\/span><\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><span style=\"margin: 0px; color: #333333; font-family: 'Georgia',serif; font-size: 12pt;\">Jaime Teevan: Yup.<\/span><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><b><span style=\"margin: 0px; color: #333333; font-family: 'Georgia',serif; font-size: 12pt;\">Host: And it was using university students who claimed to be Olympic-caliber multitaskers. And it turned out they weren\u2019t.<\/span><\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><span style=\"margin: 0px; color: #333333; font-family: 'Georgia',serif; font-size: 12pt;\">Jaime Teevan: Yup.<\/span><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><b><span style=\"margin: 0px; color: #333333; font-family: 'Georgia',serif; font-size: 12pt;\">Host: And he said, no, they\u2019re not multitasking. They\u2019re task switching. And each time you switch a task, you have to come back to the other, and it takes away time, and it\u2019s not productive. How does that go together with what you\u2019re doing on micro productivity and that?<\/span><\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><span style=\"margin: 0px; color: #333333; font-family: 'Georgia',serif; font-size: 12pt;\">Jaime Teevan: We work at MSR with a bunch of the world experts on multitasking as well. Shamsi Iqbal and Mary Czerwinski, and Gloria Mark was just up visiting from UC Irvine, and absolutely 100 percent multitasking is ridiculous, and you should never do it. That\u2019s 100 percent true.<\/span><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><b><span style=\"margin: 0px; color: #333333; font-family: 'Georgia',serif; font-size: 12pt;\">Host: Let\u2019s level set on what multitasking is. My daughter never doesn\u2019t listen to music when she\u2019s studying, and she\u2019s got texts going on. She gets a Snapchat. She\u2019s you know doing 1,000 things at once. <\/span><\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><span style=\"margin: 0px; color: #333333; font-family: 'Georgia',serif; font-size: 12pt;\">Jaime Teevan: Yeah, so that\u2019s multitasking.<\/span><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><b><span style=\"margin: 0px; color: #333333; font-family: 'Georgia',serif; font-size: 12pt;\">Host: And she thinks she\u2019s doing them all in a quality way, and she\u2019s not. <\/span><\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><span style=\"margin: 0px; color: #333333; font-family: 'Georgia',serif; font-size: 12pt;\">Jaime Teevan: Yeah, she\u2019s not. So multitasking is a bad plan. Doing tasks serially is a good plan. The way that this fits with our micro-productivity work is we\u2019re making the task so small that you actually can be doing them &#8211; it looks like multitasking sort of at the macro level and at the micro level, you\u2019re doing tasks serially. It\u2019s about including all the context and all the information necessary to complete that task in that small little bit. So we actually just began a study also on this. We built a tool that helped people do writing tasks in small little chunks. And you might copy edit a sentence or you might read a paragraph for flow, or that sort of thing. And we had people do that while watching a video. And so we &#8211; and then we quizzed them on the video after they were done with that. And so we wanted to see, how well were they able to attend to both tasks? The primary task of watching the video, and the secondary task of trying to edit a document through. Either of these little micro tasks that we gave them, or these &#8211; using a traditional document editing tool. In both cases, they were actually able to answer the questions about the video just about as well. But they were able to make a lot more edits, and in general just feel like the cognitive load was a lot lower by using these small little extracted tasks than they were by trying to do it as a larger &#8211; because, you know, otherwise you\u2019re trying to find like, oh, where was I again? And what was I thinking?<\/span><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><b><span style=\"margin: 0px; color: #333333; font-family: 'Georgia',serif; font-size: 12pt;\">Host: Right, I\u2019ve done that a lot.<\/span><\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><span style=\"margin: 0px; color: #333333; font-family: 'Georgia',serif; font-size: 12pt;\">Jaime Teevan: Rather than having &#8211; yeah, rather than just having what you needed to do up front.<\/span><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><b><span style=\"margin: 0px; color: #333333; font-family: 'Georgia',serif; font-size: 12pt;\">Host: So I think this would be a good time to do a level set of the word productivity. And when are we actually ever going to say we\u2019re productive enough? Is there some productivity utopia that we\u2019re working toward?<\/span><\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><span style=\"margin: 0px; color: #333333; font-family: 'Georgia',serif; font-size: 12pt;\">Jaime Teevan: It is really interesting to think about &#8211; up until now, the &#8211; you know, so productivity is essentially a measure of the output as a function of the input that you\u2019re, that you put into a task. And up until now, we\u2019re really working to try to help people produce more output for the same input. And it\u2019s like, there\u2019s these sort of time\/value &#8211; you know, how do you do things the most efficiently? So like, can you screw in this bolt as efficiently as possible? Or can you do this action? And like how do we minimize movement so that you\u2019re even more efficient? Those are kind of boring, repetitive tasks. And the good news is, we\u2019re getting really good at being able to take over those boring, repetitive tasks. So in the context of a factory, we can screw in that bolt. We don\u2019t need a person to become super-efficient screwing that bolt in. We can have a robot doing it. In information work, as we start breaking down tasks into their kind of substructure, we can start identifying those bolt-screwing tasks. And we can watch people do them just like the robots do in the factory, and learn how to do that for them. And so people become useless for those boring, repetitive tasks, and instead, we become really valuable for the interesting, thoughtful, creative aspects, and the tasks that are &#8211; that we can\u2019t figure out how to do automatically. And that\u2019s really cool. So like in our future productivity utopia, we\u2019re all artists and creative thinkers. And we\u2019re all kind of thinking about making broad connections and thinking about how things work together. And adding our unique human insight into the process.<\/span><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><b><span style=\"margin: 0px; color: #333333; font-family: 'Georgia',serif; font-size: 12pt;\">Host: All right, let\u2019s switch over. You\u2019ve used the word sourcing in terms of ways to get work done. And there\u2019s crowd-sourcing, and there\u2019s friend-sourcing. But the most interesting one you\u2019ve said is self-sourcing.<\/span><\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><span style=\"margin: 0px; color: #333333; font-family: 'Georgia',serif; font-size: 12pt;\">Jaime Teevan: Yes.<\/span><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><b><span style=\"margin: 0px; color: #333333; font-family: 'Georgia',serif; font-size: 12pt;\">Host: And so I\u2019m like, how is that different from the way I usually sit down and make myself try to get work done?<\/span><\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><span style=\"margin: 0px; color: #333333; font-family: 'Georgia',serif; font-size: 12pt;\">Jaime Teevan: No, so it\u2019s true. Most of &#8211; you know, all of our personal tasks that we ourselves are essentially self-sourcing. So we\u2019re sourcing it to ourselves. We use the term self-sourcing as a play on the word crowd-sourcing, in the context of micro-productivity. A lot of the early work in micro-productivity, or thinking about how you take a large task and break it down into these small tasks, was done in the context of crowd-sourcing. So, these crowd-sourcing platforms are ways to quickly connect with people online to perform the tasks that you need. And the problem is, because they\u2019re short of short-term relationships that you have, that you bring people in to say, help me with, you know, I need help photo-shopping this one picture, or copyediting this document I wrote\u2026 it\u2019s not a long-term relationship. Generally what people have found is it\u2019s very &#8211; you\u2019re much more successful if you provide a lot of structure. Instead of saying, please photo-shop this picture, you might ask somebody to remove the background, and somebody else to make the people in the picture look better. And somebody else to look at the overall composition or something like that. And that structure was useful for bringing other people in. And as we looked at it, we were like, well, actually, there\u2019s the opportunity to use that same structure to make it useful for myself. To sort of essentially collaborate with myself over time. So how do I provide some contributions now and some contributions later? You know, sourcing myself now and later to produce an output.<\/span><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><b><span style=\"margin: 0px; color: #333333; font-family: 'Georgia',serif; font-size: 12pt;\">Host: So then you\u2019re breaking it down so that you can see smaller chunks of it, and it\u2019s not maybe so overwhelming of a big task to do?<\/span><\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><span style=\"margin: 0px; color: #333333; font-family: 'Georgia',serif; font-size: 12pt;\">Jaime Teevan: We\u2019ve done work looking at the difference between doing a task as sort of this large macro task, versus the exact same task as a series of smaller, micro tasks. And what we found was, when you do a task in micro tasks, you feel like it\u2019s easier. You produce higher-quality output, actually, because you sort of have &#8211; you\u2019re externalizing all the work that you\u2019re doing in the context of these tasks, rather than holding it all in your head as you\u2019re doing the larger task. And it\u2019s more resilient to interruptions. So because there\u2019s all these sort of task boundaries introduced, you\u2019re able to deal with all this sort of incoming other stuff, serializing the little small micro tasks rather than trying to do a large task.<\/span><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><b><span style=\"margin: 0px; color: #333333; font-family: 'Georgia',serif; font-size: 12pt;\">Host: S0 self-sourcing was a funny phrase for me to encounter when I started looking into your research. Another funny phrase was slow search. And I know you\u2019ve done talks on this. You\u2019ve done a lot of research on it. Basically, going back to your beginnings on search and personal search. Can you unpack \u201cslow search\u201d and what that means, and what it\u2019s about?<\/span><\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><span style=\"margin: 0px; color: #333333; font-family: 'Georgia',serif; font-size: 12pt;\">Jaime Teevan: Slow search is framed in contrast to fast search, which is actually how most of the search that we do right now is framed. So we\u2019ve done a lot of studies looking at the impact of time on how people find information. And one of the things that we found is if you introduce really small delays in the search results that people get, like even by 100 milliseconds &#8211; which is actually imperceptible. So people only notice things &#8211; they notice delays in their user interfaces, if they\u2019re like 2 or 300 milliseconds. If you submit a query to a search engine, and we just hold onto those, that query, and do nothing with it for 100 milliseconds, and then start and go and try and return results, people actually perceive those search results quality as lower. So they think the results are worse. They interact with the search results less. They even come back to the search engine less often. And that\u2019s not because the quality is lower. It\u2019s because we held onto those results for just 100 milliseconds.<\/span><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><b><span style=\"margin: 0px; color: #333333; font-family: 'Georgia',serif; font-size: 12pt;\">Host: A delay of something you can\u2019t perceive makes you perceive that it\u2019s worse?<\/span><\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><span style=\"margin: 0px; color: #333333; font-family: 'Georgia',serif; font-size: 12pt;\">Jaime Teevan: Yeah. Once you figure that out, search engines invest all sorts of money and time and effort into giving you search results 100 milliseconds faster. Because, you know, we invest a lot of money in trying to give you better results. But clearly giving you faster results also makes you happier with the results. So, we &#8211; Bing, for example, when you run a query, instead of showing you 10 links &#8211; so typically the search is described as ten blue links. If you go and count the number of links, it\u2019s actually only eight links. And it\u2019s because the page loads that much faster when we dump two links off the page. And that makes it seem better for you. We\u2019re smart with it. So this whole focus on speed is kind of ironic, because actually half of our search sessions are multi-query, multi-session. They\u2019re long. We spend a lot of time. So these ones where you\u2019re like looking for the New York Times home page, like that\u2019s in and out.<\/span><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><b><span style=\"margin: 0px; color: #333333; font-family: 'Georgia',serif; font-size: 12pt;\">Host: J. Crew. <\/span><\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><span style=\"margin: 0px; color: #333333; font-family: 'Georgia',serif; font-size: 12pt;\">Jaime Teevan: Yeah, exactly. But the ones where you\u2019re engaging in a topic, those are long extended queries. So 100 milliseconds shouldn\u2019t really matter there, especially. And so we can start detecting when you\u2019re engaged in a longer session. And then we might go and take a little bit more time, give you more results. Be a little more thoughtful about what you\u2019re doing.<\/span><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><b><span style=\"margin: 0px; color: #333333; font-family: 'Georgia',serif; font-size: 12pt;\">Host: You have a foot both in academia and Microsoft Research. What do you think are the most exciting opportunities for this deal that you\u2019re working in right now?<\/span><\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><span style=\"margin: 0px; color: #333333; font-family: 'Georgia',serif; font-size: 12pt;\">Jaime Teevan: I\u2019m really excited &#8211; I think we don\u2019t yet know how to help people interact with computer systems that aren\u2019t always right. So one of the things that\u2019s happening is we\u2019re able to do a lot more automatically. But we\u2019re getting it wrong a lot. And search is really interesting in this way. It\u2019s one of the really few places where we interact with a computer and there is ambiguity. When you enter a query and you get ten links or eight links, you know that that list isn\u2019t going to be 100 percent correct. And actually, people do trust that list a fair amount. You\u2019ll see they click on the first result more. And they tend to think that the first result is more relevant than the fifth result, even though it\u2019s not necessarily that much more relevant. But we\u2019re aware of that, and we\u2019re aware it might be imperfect, and we are aware that we need to have a conversation and iterate with the search engine. There\u2019s almost nowhere else in our interactions with computers where that\u2019s true, where that ambiguity, that fact that it might be wrong is present. And we need to fix that, because we can\u2019t be providing doctors with support for diagnosing people, if they\u2019re going to take that to be true. They need it to be &#8211; they need to understand the, you know, what the computer is wrong about and doesn\u2019t know, and be able to kind of work together that way. And what\u2019s more is we need people to help teach the computers so that they can be better next time. And so that each time there\u2019s an interaction with this ambiguity, the next time it responds in a little bit more appropriate way.<\/span><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><b><span style=\"margin: 0px; color: #333333; font-family: 'Georgia',serif; font-size: 12pt;\">Host: Which leads me to an interesting &#8211; you had a big slide deck that I think you\u2019ve done from a presentation. And you said, computers are good at this. People are good at this. So, talk about that.<\/span><\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><span style=\"margin: 0px; color: #333333; font-family: 'Georgia',serif; font-size: 12pt;\">Jaime Teevan: So, there are some things that computers are really good at you know. We don\u2019t &#8211; and I find it very interesting, actually, just thinking about AI and intelligence. When a computer &#8211; the things that &#8211; we don\u2019t think of that as intelligence, and it\u2019s not. Like computer can do a really large numeric computation. And like if you could do that off the top of your head, I\u2019d be like, wow, that\u2019s amazing. But a computer can do it, and you\u2019re like, all right, whatever, right?<\/span><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><b><span style=\"margin: 0px; color: #333333; font-family: 'Georgia',serif; font-size: 12pt;\">Host: Yeah.<\/span><\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><span style=\"margin: 0px; color: #333333; font-family: 'Georgia',serif; font-size: 12pt;\">Jaime Teevan: A computer in the context of search can look at millions and billions of documents, and you certainly couldn\u2019t do that even if you spent the rest of your life just trying to look at all of the documents. So that\u2019s something that computers are really good at. Computers are not so good at synthesizing and understanding things. That\u2019s something that people are good at. We\u2019re good at seeing the big picture. We\u2019re good at understanding connections. And one of the things that &#8211; and certainly we\u2019d like computers to be good at that, or better at that. And we &#8211; and we\u2019ve got a lot of research going into that space. But I think it\u2019s really cool instead to think about how to bring humans and computers together, so that you get this creative synthesis and big picture insight from people. You get this like really amazing ability to do large-scale computation from computers. And I mean, honestly, we kind of get this in our own world right now, in that we\u2019re all smarter because of the internet. And so you know it\u2019s really a way &#8211; keyword search is a way that we\u2019re pulling together this large-scale computation of computers with our own ability. So we externalize a lot of our knowledge. We don\u2019t have to know where every country in the world is. Or we don\u2019t all have to know every medical term. Because we can go look that up. And then we can use our insights to understand the world better.<\/span><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><b><span style=\"margin: 0px; color: #333333; font-family: 'Georgia',serif; font-size: 12pt;\">Host: I like the &#8211; the things I read about what you\u2019re doing, bringing people and computers together. And it\u2019s not so much computers replacing humans, but more augmenting and helping. Tell me what your sort of big picture on that is as you do your work in Microsoft Research. What\u2019s your vision for what computers and humans can do together?<\/span><\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><span style=\"margin: 0px; color: #333333; font-family: 'Georgia',serif; font-size: 12pt;\">Jaime Teevan: This productivity utopia that you were talking about a little bit earlier, you know? I think we &#8211; we can make the world a better place. You know I don&#8217;t know really how to answer this without sounding trite.<\/span><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><b><span style=\"margin: 0px; color: #333333; font-family: 'Georgia',serif; font-size: 12pt;\">Host: I think &#8211; go for it.<\/span><\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><span style=\"margin: 0px; color: #333333; font-family: 'Georgia',serif; font-size: 12pt;\">Jaime Teevan: It\u2019s just &#8211; yes, we can &#8211; we can accomplish all the things. We\u2019ve been accomplishing more. We can do it easier. We can be rich in cognitive resources because we\u2019re not doing other things. And we can really be maximizing the way we think about the world, and the way we interact with people, and the way that we move society forward.<\/span><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><b><span style=\"margin: 0px; color: #333333; font-family: 'Georgia',serif; font-size: 12pt;\">Host: What would you like people to know about your research that you think they might not know, and just Microsoft Research in general?<\/span><\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><span style=\"margin: 0px; color: #333333; font-family: 'Georgia',serif; font-size: 12pt;\">Jaime Teevan: Microsoft is a company that touches a lot of different sectors and a lot of different areas. And so in Microsoft Research, we\u2019re doing all sorts of stuff. So you know it\u2019s not &#8211; like I do research related to search and task completion. But there\u2019s other people who are doing work related to quantum computing, and other people doing research related to you know cryptography. There\u2019s all sorts of different &#8211; you know, we have economists. We have ethnographers and anthropologists. Like there\u2019s just a broad range of people looking you know at DNA and how we can encode information in DNA. There\u2019s all sorts of &#8211; it\u2019s a really broad organization, because we\u2019re thinking about the larger company, which really has a broad impact on the world.<\/span><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><b><span style=\"margin: 0px; color: #333333; font-family: 'Georgia',serif; font-size: 12pt;\">Host: What is I that most excites you about micro-productivity<\/span><\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><span style=\"margin: 0px; color: #333333; font-family: 'Georgia',serif; font-size: 12pt;\">Jaime Teevan: I guess &#8211; well, you know, I have 4 little kids. I am really excited about being able to make productive use of my time so that I can hang out with them, and also be able to use the small little bits where I\u2019m with them, that I\u2019m not attending \u2013 like actually &#8211; I mean, this makes me sound like a terrible parent. I go to the playground with my kids, and they\u2019re playing on the playground. And I know some people think you should go engage with your children the whole time they\u2019re on that. But, you know what? I\u2019m kind of like, that\u2019s my time for my kids to be running around, and for me to sit and be quiet. And you know what I do? Like I take out my phone, check my email, and that takes about 5 minutes. And then I\u2019m done. And then I have nothing to do. So, then I start playing Candy Crush. And I\u2019m on level like 2500 in Candy Crush.<\/span><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><b><span style=\"margin: 0px; color: #333333; font-family: 'Georgia',serif; font-size: 12pt;\">Host: Overachiever.<\/span><\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><span style=\"margin: 0px; color: #333333; font-family: 'Georgia',serif; font-size: 12pt;\">Jaime Teevan: And I would much rather be using that time to be productive, because you know what? I\u2019m actually with my kids at the playground, which is nice. And I\u2019m outside. If I can get stuff done then, and like take that out of my work day, that would be awesome.<\/span><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><b><span style=\"margin: 0px; color: #333333; font-family: 'Georgia',serif; font-size: 12pt;\">Host: Right. Well, back in the day. I mean, talk about bad parents. It\u2019s like, they sent us out to play with no helmets, while they stayed inside and had a cigarette and a martini. <\/span><\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><span style=\"margin: 0px; color: #333333; font-family: 'Georgia',serif; font-size: 12pt;\">Jaime Teevan: Right, yeah.<\/span><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><b><span style=\"margin: 0px; color: #333333; font-family: 'Georgia',serif; font-size: 12pt;\">Host: So, you know, phone is not that bad.<\/span><\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><span style=\"margin: 0px; color: #333333; font-family: 'Georgia',serif; font-size: 12pt;\">Jaime Teevan: No. No &#8211; I mean, they need their own space. And they &#8211; it\u2019s just the point is, it allows me to put my work into sort of these dead times, and you know it\u2019s basically defragging my life where I have some dead time. And that dead time exists while I\u2019m at work or while I\u2019m at home, and I &#8211; if I can use that productively, then I can use my whole life the way that I want to use it.<\/span><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><b><span style=\"margin: 0px; color: #333333; font-family: 'Georgia',serif; font-size: 12pt;\">Host: Earlier I was thinking, we feel guilty when we aren\u2019t engaged with our work via a mobile device or a laptop or whatever. And then we feel guilty when we are engaged with a device, because we should be with people. And it\u2019s this whole &#8211; I think we need to figure out a way to get rid of the collective guilt.<\/span><\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><span style=\"margin: 0px; color: #333333; font-family: 'Georgia',serif; font-size: 12pt;\">Jaime Teevan: I agree. That\u2019s like my big piece of advice I give when people are like, do you have any advice for me? I\u2019m like, don\u2019t feel guilty. And they just like &#8211; I mean, like do &#8211; you know, you can use guilt as a signal to be like, you need to change. But you should also be forgiving of yourself. And you should be like, I need breaks. I need time at work. I need time at home. Like just respect all of that variation. And that way you capitalize on it. If it\u2019s time that you\u2019re spending at home, like recharge then. Embrace that. Use that to &#8211; for what it is. And when it\u2019s time you\u2019re spending at work, or when &#8211; you know, or if it\u2019s time, you\u2019re like, I need to just like lay in bed and watch Netflix, that\u2019s a fine thing, if that\u2019s what you need to do.<\/span><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><b><span style=\"margin: 0px; color: #333333; font-family: 'Georgia',serif; font-size: 12pt;\">Host: Yeah, and on this &#8211; by the same token, stop judging people<\/span><\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><span style=\"margin: 0px; color: #333333; font-family: 'Georgia',serif; font-size: 12pt;\">Jaime Teevan: Yeah.<\/span><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><b><span style=\"margin: 0px; color: #333333; font-family: 'Georgia',serif; font-size: 12pt;\">Host: You know, if they\u2019re on their screen, because you\u2019re at the playground looking at some other mom going, well, she\u2019s probably &#8211; you know. <\/span><\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><span style=\"margin: 0px; color: #333333; font-family: 'Georgia',serif; font-size: 12pt;\">Jaime Teevan: No, I know. And parents are the worst about being judgmental of each other.<\/span><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><b><span style=\"margin: 0px; color: #333333; font-family: 'Georgia',serif; font-size: 12pt;\">Host: Of each other. <\/span><\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><span style=\"margin: 0px; color: #333333; font-family: 'Georgia',serif; font-size: 12pt;\">Jaime Teevan: Yeah, I know.<\/span><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><b><span style=\"margin: 0px; color: #333333; font-family: 'Georgia',serif; font-size: 12pt;\">Host: But I\u2019m doing something really productive on my phone, and you\u2019re just, you know, surfing. <\/span><\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><span style=\"margin: 0px; color: #333333; font-family: 'Georgia',serif; font-size: 12pt;\">Jaime Teevan: Oh, my god. We actually did a study that looked at how people perceived their, other people\u2019s use of phone compared to their own use of phone. We looked at device uses in meetings. And we found that people are like, \u201cI use my devices for very productive things. Everybody else in the meetings is using their devices to goof off.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><b><span style=\"margin: 0px; color: #333333; font-family: 'Georgia',serif; font-size: 12pt;\">Host: Right?<\/span><\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><span style=\"margin: 0px; color: #333333; font-family: 'Georgia',serif; font-size: 12pt;\">Jaime Teevan: And it is funny. We totally think everybody else is screwing around.<\/span><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><b><span style=\"margin: 0px; color: #333333; font-family: 'Georgia',serif; font-size: 12pt;\">Host: It\u2019s actually biblical. It\u2019s the plank and the splinter. <\/span><\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><span style=\"margin: 0px; color: #333333; font-family: 'Georgia',serif; font-size: 12pt;\">Jaime Teevan: Yeah. But then again, I would actually also say, forgive yourself for being a little judgy sometimes, too. I mean, we\u2019re all kind of &#8211; you know, recognize that for what it is.<\/span><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><b><span style=\"margin: 0px; color: #333333; font-family: 'Georgia',serif; font-size: 12pt;\">Host: So the overarching thing is grace here.<\/span><\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><span style=\"margin: 0px; color: #333333; font-family: 'Georgia',serif; font-size: 12pt;\">Jaime Teevan: Yes, exactly.<\/span><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><b><span style=\"margin: 0px; color: #333333; font-family: 'Georgia',serif; font-size: 12pt;\">Host: That\u2019s awesome. Thank you so much for coming in.<\/span><\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><span style=\"margin: 0px; color: #333333; font-family: 'Georgia',serif; font-size: 12pt;\">Jaime Teevan: My pleasure.<\/span><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><b><span style=\"margin: 0px; color: #333333; font-family: 'Georgia',serif; font-size: 12pt;\">Host: I really enjoyed talking to you. And as a matter of fact, we will try to get a little party together. And maybe we can all sit around on our screens and&#8230;<\/span><\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><span style=\"margin: 0px; color: #333333; font-family: 'Georgia',serif; font-size: 12pt;\">Jaime Teevan: Ignore each other.<\/span><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><b><span style=\"margin: 0px; color: #333333; font-family: 'Georgia',serif; font-size: 12pt;\">Host: Yeah, right? Exactly.<\/span><\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><span style=\"margin: 0px; color: #333333; font-family: 'Georgia',serif; font-size: 12pt;\">Jaime Teevan: I can like it on Facebook.<\/span><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><b><span style=\"margin: 0px; color: #333333; font-family: 'Georgia',serif; font-size: 12pt;\">Host: Yeah, yeah, yeah.<\/span><\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><b><span style=\"margin: 0px; color: #333333; font-family: 'Georgia',serif; font-size: 12pt;\">Host: To learn more about Jaime Teevan\u2019s work, along with other research that can make your life more productive, visit <a href=\"https:\/\/www.microsoft.com\/en-us\/research\/\">Microsoft.com\/research<\/a>.&nbsp;<\/span><\/b><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><span style=\"margin: 0px; color: #333333; font-family: 'Georgia',serif; font-size: 12pt;\">[\/end]<\/span><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Episode 1, November 28, 2017 &#8211; Dr. Jaime Teevan has a lot to say about productivity in a fragmented culture, and some solutions that seem promising, if somewhat counterintuitive.<br \/>\nDr. Teevan is a Microsoft researcher, University of Washington Affiliate Professor, and the mother of 4 young boys. 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