{"id":477075,"date":"2018-04-04T07:25:42","date_gmt":"2018-04-04T14:25:42","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.microsoft.com\/en-us\/research\/?p=477075"},"modified":"2020-04-23T15:20:06","modified_gmt":"2020-04-23T22:20:06","slug":"ai-developing-world-dr-ranveer-chandra","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.microsoft.com\/en-us\/research\/podcast\/ai-developing-world-dr-ranveer-chandra\/","title":{"rendered":"AI for the Developing World with Dr. Ranveer Chandra"},"content":{"rendered":"<div id=\"attachment_477087\" style=\"width: 1010px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-477087\" class=\"wp-image-477087 size-full\" src=\"https:\/\/www.microsoft.com\/en-us\/research\/uploads\/prod\/2018\/03\/PodcastRanveerChandra_Header_2_03_2018_1000x400.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"1000\" height=\"400\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.microsoft.com\/en-us\/research\/uploads\/prod\/2018\/03\/PodcastRanveerChandra_Header_2_03_2018_1000x400.jpg 1000w, https:\/\/www.microsoft.com\/en-us\/research\/uploads\/prod\/2018\/03\/PodcastRanveerChandra_Header_2_03_2018_1000x400-300x120.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.microsoft.com\/en-us\/research\/uploads\/prod\/2018\/03\/PodcastRanveerChandra_Header_2_03_2018_1000x400-768x307.jpg 768w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 1000px) 100vw, 1000px\" \/><p id=\"caption-attachment-477087\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Dr. Ranveer Chandra from Microsoft Research. Photography by Maryatt Photography.<\/p><\/div>\n<p><strong><em>Episode 18, April 4, 2018<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n<p>When we think about artificial intelligence and the \u201cworld of the future,\u201d our vision is usually more Jetsons than Green Acres. But for <a href=\"https:\/\/www.microsoft.com\/en-us\/research\/people\/ranveer\/\">Dr. Ranveer Chandra<\/a>, a Principal Researcher in the <a href=\"https:\/\/www.microsoft.com\/en-us\/research\/people\/ranveer\/\">Systems and Networking<\/a> group at Microsoft Research, rural farms are the perfect place to realize the benefits of AI through what he calls precision agriculture, or data-driven farming.<\/p>\n<p>Today, in a wide-ranging interview, Dr. Chandra talks about how his research may eventually make your wi-fi signal stronger and your battery life longer, but also shares the story of how spending childhood summers with his grandparents in rural India inspired a line of research that could change the face of <a href=\"https:\/\/www.microsoft.com\/en-us\/research\/publication\/farmbeats-iot-platform-data-driven-agriculture\/\">farming<\/a> and help meet the food and nutrition needs of a growing global population.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Related:<\/strong><\/p>\n<ul type=\"disc\">\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.microsoft.com\/en-us\/research\/podcast\">Microsoft Research Podcast<\/a>: Visit our podcast page on Microsoft.com<\/li>\n<li><a class=\"msr-external-link glyph-append glyph-append-open-in-new-tab glyph-append-xsmall\" href=\"https:\/\/itunes.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/microsoft-research-a-podcast\/id1318021537?mt=2\">iTunes<\/a>: Subscribe and listen to new podcasts each week on iTunes<\/li>\n<li><a class=\"msr-external-link glyph-append glyph-append-open-in-new-tab glyph-append-xsmall\" href=\"https:\/\/subscribebyemail.com\/www.blubrry.com\/feeds\/microsoftresearch.xml\">Email<\/a>: Subscribe and listen by email<\/li>\n<li><a class=\"msr-external-link glyph-append glyph-append-open-in-new-tab glyph-append-xsmall\" href=\"https:\/\/subscribeonandroid.com\/www.blubrry.com\/feeds\/microsoftresearch.xml\">Android<\/a>: Subscribe and listen on Android<\/li>\n<li><a class=\"msr-external-link glyph-append glyph-append-open-in-new-tab glyph-append-xsmall\" href=\"https:\/\/www.blubrry.com\/feeds\/microsoftresearch.xml\">RSS feed\u00a0<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/www.microsoft.com\/en-us\/research\/project\/farmbeats-iot-agriculture\/\">FarmBeats: AI & loT for Agriculture<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<hr \/>\n<p><strong>Transcript<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Ranveer Chandra: One of the latest projects I\u2019m doing is Farm Beats. And for that, to actually see how well your research works, you need to be out there in a farm. And a lot of times when I\u2019m going there, it\u2019s raining out here in Seattle. I\u2019m like, \u201cWhat am I doing going out there in the farm in the middle of nowhere in this rain?\u201d But on the other hand, just reminding yourself that if this research works, this is going to benefit so many farmers. It gives you that level of energy to keep going, to keep thinking about doing bigger things and not stopping where you are.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Host: You\u2019re listening to the Microsoft Research Podcast. A show that brings you closer to the cutting edge of technology research and the scientists behind it. I\u2019m your host Gretchen Huizinga.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>When we think about artificial intelligence and the world of the future, our vision is usually more Jetsons than Green Acres. But for Dr. Ranveer Chandra, a Principal Researcher in the Systems and Networking group at Microsoft Research, rural farms are the perfect place to realize the benefits of AI through what he calls precision agriculture or data-driven farming.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Today, in a wide-ranging interview, Dr. Chandra talks about how his research may eventually make your Wi-Fi signal stronger and your battery life longer. But also shares the story of how spending childhood summers with his grandparents in rural India inspired a line of research that could change the face of farming, and help meet the food and nutrition needs of a growing global population.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>That and much more on this episode of the Microsoft Research podcast.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Host: Ranveer Chandra, welcome to the podcast, it\u2019s great to see you today.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Ranveer Chandra: Yeah, thank you. I\u2019m excited to be here.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Host: So, you\u2019re a Principal Researcher in Systems and Networking. And it says on the website that you develop technologies that \u201cexpand the state of the art in computing.\u201d That\u2019s a pretty broad statement. What does it mean?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Ranveer Chandra: I come from a networking background. I do computer networking innovations that can help you connect devices better. That\u2019s what my PhD was in. And my PhD was on a technology called Virtual Wi-Fi. Since 2009, 2010, I\u2019ve started expanding the scope of what I do. From networking to other technologies as well, for example, batteries, and improving the battery life of devices, and more recently, to farms. In some sense, they\u2019re all about systems. They\u2019re all about, how do you make technology better, more accessible. How can you take a big step in the different systems\u2019 components, be it networking, be it operating systems, be it batteries, be it the Internet of Things. How do you connect devices to the internet? And coming up with technologies that take the state-of-the-art to the next level. And with each one of them, that\u2019s what we are trying to accomplish.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Host: Yeah, and having experienced technology for decades now, I understand that connectivity, networking, making everything work together, is one of the biggest challenges. Because you\u2019ve got people all over the world coming up with new ideas, and how do you connect them all?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Ranveer Chandra: Yeah, yeah. And just to put that point in perspective, around half the world is still not connected to the internet, right? And that\u2019s what drives this point even more, that we need innovations. We need to come up with new technologies to get everyone connected, to bring the benefits of technology to everyone, right? To democratize technology.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Host: Yeah. Ranveer, you\u2019re a busy guy. You have multiple research projects on the go. You\u2019ve published more than 80 academic papers that have been cited multiple times and you\u2019ve got more than 85 patents. And you\u2019re active in the larger research community, you\u2019re serving on committees. You\u2019ve got projects, initiatives, awards, media, mentoring, advising Ph\u2026 I mean, seriously. The list could go on. What do you do in your spare time?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Ranveer Chandra: Well, whatever time I get, I like thinking about the research problems, the open problems. That\u2019s what gives me the energy to keep going on everything else. I do like doing all the work you just mentioned, like being involved with students. That gives me a lot of excitement. That makes me happy. It just makes me think more about the research that I do. It gives me new ideas working with the younger community. That\u2019s why I serve on PhD committees. I love talking to students. Whenever I visit a university, I ask my host to set up at least one hour talking to graduate students.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Host: Wow\u2026<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Ranveer Chandra: So, this is something that excites me. Same with, in the research community, I like serving on program committees because it keeps me up-to-date with what\u2019s going on and thinking about new ideas. But in the spare time, yeah, I like thinking about these research problems. I do have a wife and a daughter, and I like my family. We like doing things together as well, usually on the weekends. But on weekdays, yeah, it\u2019s a busy schedule.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Host: It\u2019s work.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Ranveer Chandra: Yeah, it\u2019s work, and also working with different parts of the world. We work with India, with China. So, it takes up nearly all our time during the week. But it\u2019s exciting. I\u2019m not complaining. It\u2019s something that I like doing.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Host: Well, what\u2019s funny was that I was going to ask the follow-up question, seriously, what inspires you, and how do you sustain this level of work? And you\u2019ve just answered that with What do you do in your spare time? Because that is what you do for\u2026 joy\u2026 It sounds like.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Ranveer Chandra: Yeah, in the sense, I really like my work. I\u2019m really excited to come to work every day. Even I travel a lot, but even when I\u2019m traveling, I don\u2019t complain. I really like doing research and thinking about these\u2026 meeting students. Like, I\u2019ll give you an example. One of the latest projects I\u2019m doing is Farm Beats. And for that, to actually see how well your research works, you need to be out there in a farm, trial research. So, we work with Sean Stratman, who is small holder farmer in Carnation, which is 25 miles east of here. And a lot of times when I\u2019m going there, it\u2019s raining out here in Seattle. I\u2019m like, \u201cWhat am I doing going out there in the farm in the middle of nowhere in this rain?\u201d But on the other hand, just reminding yourself that if this research works, this is going to benefit Sean, benefit so many farmers. It gives you that level of energy to keep going, to keep thinking about doing bigger things and not stopping where you are.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Host: Well, let\u2019s talk about some of the specific projects you\u2019re working on. We just started sort of there. But one that really interested me was this TV white space, dynamic spectrum, spectrum opportunity program that you\u2019re doing called White Space Networking Project. So, what kind of things can you do with spare spectrum, so to speak, and why is it important?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Ranveer Chandra: So to give you an idea of what the TV white spaces can enable, is imagine if you go to Best Buy, you buy a Wi-Fi router and you plug it into your house. Imagine if a future router of this kind, you could access the internet a few miles away. Right now, as soon as you exit your house, your Wi-Fi disappears. So, the way we do that \u2013 this was work we did back in 2009. This was the best paper at ACM SIGCOMM. The particular technology that we had developed here was a way to take a Wi-Fi signal and put it in an empty TV channel. What we mean by this is this is over the air TV, the TV you watch using antennas. So, you know when you browse over the air TV, you see certain channels. You know, Channel 7 you\u2019re getting a TV broadcast. On Channel 8, all you see is white noise. Nothing coming there. The particular technology we developed was a way to put a Wi-Fi signal in that noise channel, such that it doesn\u2019t interfere with your TV reception on an adjacent channel. So, you could be watching Channel 7. On Channel 8, we could be sending Wi-Fi. And the reason this is so cool is that compared to Wi-Fi, at the same power level, typically in UHF TV frequencies, your signals will go 4 times farther. In VHF, they\u2019ll go 12 times farther. And this is in free space, just purely based on physics. If you put trees, crops, canopies, buildings, your signals propagate even more. In fact, in some of our experiments in India, where we connected a rural high school to the internet, our non-line-of-sight link was 10 miles. That 16 kilometers. We were able to stretch the internet by 16 kilometers to that high school, which previously didn\u2019t have any internet connection before. So that\u2019s what the TV white spaces enables. It enables you to send Wi-Fi signals over much longer distances. And there\u2019s a lot of technology behind that. If you go to our website, you\u2019ll find lots and lots of papers that we\u2019ve written on it. But the FCC chairman was here in 2010, in this building, and we showed him this demo at that time. And since then, this technology has been made legal in the US. And right now, it\u2019s legal in several other countries as well.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Host: Can you just grab it? I mean, you don\u2019t have to go through any channels to apply for it or anything?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Ranveer Chandra: No, so this is where a lot of the technology pieces were developed. There\u2019s the concept that at that time was proposed was called Dynamic Spectrum Access. And now there\u2019s an alliance. And we have proposed an architecture where you have a web service in the background, your device would say, \u201cthis is where I am.\u201d The web service would reply and say, at this location, these are the channels you can use. So that\u2019s a new way to establish an internet connection. But with that, we had shown that you can establish these connections in a way that doesn\u2019t interfere with the TV reception. So right now, there is a big momentum around this. There are lots of companies involved in the Dynamic Spectrum Access Alliance. I\u2019ll be giving a keynote at their conference in London in May this year. And there is an entire ecosystem around the TV white spaces. New devices are getting built. The vision here is to be able to get the internet access to the remotest places in the world. When some of the messages you get from people, like students in Africa sending a small message saying, \u201cThank you so much for this work. We were able to access the internet for the first time.\u201d These are really touching messages, which we think\u2026 we are still not there with this research. We\u2019ve made the first steps of connecting people, but that\u2019s the vision. We want to use this technology to get internet in the hands of everyone.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Host: You know, there\u2019s a text acronym, SMH. Have you heard of it?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Ranveer Chandra: No.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Host: It\u2019s called, Shaking My Head. And every single podcast, I\u2019m shaking my head, going, I cannot believe\u2026 this is so interesting, so exciting, and so useful, right?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Ranveer Chandra: Yeah, thank you, yeah.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Host:<\/strong> <strong>So, at some point, can I just get extra white space if I want Wi-Fi while I\u2019m driving? Because I\u2019m always mad when I leave my house. At some point, will it be anyone?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Ranveer Chandra: Yeah, so one of the things that happened \u2013 since we did this work in 2009, the paper that we had written was called White Fi, for Wi-Fi over the white spaces. So, we would expect that in the future, you would have these \u2013 like right now on your phone, you have A22.11 ABG. You could have \u2013 there\u2019s an IAAA-A22.11 standard, A22.11AF, which is also known as the White Fi standard. And that is about taking the Wi-Fi standard and using it in the TV white space. So, in the future, who knows? This could be something that could be very real.<\/p>\n<p><strong>(Music plays)<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Host: Another area I was surprised to learn about was battery research. And you\u2019ve referred to it a couple of times. Uh, not something I would have expected to be going on in Microsoft Research for some reason. But tell us what\u2019s going on in battery research from your perspective, and how it\u2019s going to make our lives better.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Ranveer Chandra: Yeah.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Host: I already think of 10 reasons.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Ranveer Chandra: Yeah, so we started this research back in 2010, where I\u2019m leading this battery research across Microsoft where it\u2019s not just about research. We work with the product teams as well. And we are looking at ways in which you can improve the battery life of mobile devices, take it to the next level. Our mission is to keep working on this until you can get your devices to last a week without charge. And we\u2019re thinking of mobile devices. Mobile devices could be phones, laptops, tablets, 2-in-1s, any of these. And we\u2019re taking a holistic approach working all across the battery stack, from batteries itself, to how these batteries are managed in the hardware, to the device drivers, to the operating system, to the applications all throughout, and coming up with ways in which we can take it to the next level to improve battery life. And one of the things we did initially, was to come up with a way to model the battery consumption of the devices. How much power does your display use, does your processor use, does your network use? We built models for all of them. And then we work very closely with the different product teams on transferring the technology. And they\u2019re part of the research that we do, all the teams within Microsoft. One of the key technologies is software-defined batteries, and we are super excited about that. That\u2019s a new paradigm of the way you use batteries. What we came up with was a way in which you combine batteries of different chemistries. You can imagine a fast-charging battery and a high-energy density battery plugged together. And with a little bit of hardware, what we did was you could switch across the different batteries. And this is kind of the entire stack that we built, all the way from batteries to battery hardware and the operating system module and the AIP, the artificial intelligence piece, predicting what kind of workload is going to come. And based on that, we came up with this paradigm of software-defined batteries, based on which we show that you can mix and match different batteries. So, we did the first step with that of showing it on mobile devices. But the real passion behind this comes from being able to use it in the grid. If you think of the electric grid, or even electric vehicles, one of the biggest challenges there is how long is it going to last? How much farther can you go on one charge? Same with the electric grid. How much charge can you store? And until now, everyone still uses batteries of the same chemistry. We believe, with this paradigm, which we developed a while back. The first time this idea came to us was in 2011. And since then, we kept modifying the technology before we published it in 2015. This was chosen as one of the research highlights in CACM, the Communications of the ACM in 2016. And now we are thinking of broadening the scope of what we have developed to see where else can it be used? And you can imagine other scenarios. Like I mentioned electric vehicles, right? So, whenever you sit in a car, if you enter your GPS coordinates, or even if you could learn that, hey, you know what, now I\u2019m going home. You know what kind of traffic it\u2019s going to hit, what kind of temperature it\u2019s going to be, whether you\u2019re going to be braking a lot. All these things affect your battery consumption. So then, based on where you\u2019re going, the prediction part is easier. You can easily build a smart sense so that your car can go that extra bit longer.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Host: Right, by pulling from a different source.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Ranveer Chandra: By pulling from different batteries based on your profile, based on what the traffic is, based on what the weather is, and so on.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Host: This is one of those podcasts where it\u2019s like, everything you say I can see how it can impact my life\u2026 tomorrow.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Ranveer Chandra: That\u2019s my goal.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Host: Let\u2019s go a little bit more. I could talk to you about batteries for an hour. Seriously. And that\u2019s kind of weird for me. I don\u2019t usually talk about batteries to people. One of the most well-known projects you\u2019re leading is an incubation on IoT applications called Farm Beats. You referred to it earlier. But it\u2019s really cool. I want to know more about it. I know our listeners would like to know more about it. So, tell us about Farm Beats.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Ranveer Chandra: Yes. Yeah, I\u2019m super excited about it. I\u2019ve been doing this for about three years now. So, the reason I started this project is I don\u2019t have an agriculture background.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Host: You don\u2019t?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Ranveer Chandra: I\u2019m not \u2013 I\u2019m not a farmer.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Host: It could be one of those things on your resum\u00e9\u2026<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Ranveer Chandra: I know. So, my PhD is in computer science. But I did have some experience with farming in the sense that when I was growing up in India, as it happens in India, every summer and winter vacation, you have to spend with your grandparents. And my grandparents lived in a farm in a small village in Bihar. It\u2019s in rural India. And every summer and winter vacation, so that\u2019s three months of summer vacation and one month of winter vacation, I would be spending there with them. And I used to hate that. Because as it was at that time, the farms in India, the villages didn\u2019t have any electricity, no bathrooms. It wasn\u2019t easy living, and the rest of the time, I was in a city. So, didn\u2019t like it, but I still went there. I spent a lot of time there. A lot of my friends were in the villages. I learned by biking when I was there with those friends.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Host: Because they had to go, too.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Ranveer Chandra: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, and so, exactly. So, but then, I think in a way, I didn\u2019t like farming then, but in a way, it\u2019s kind of giving back. Having seen the poverty, the kind of, the way people go about doing farming, I want to develop technologies that can impact their lives. The goal of Farm Beats is to enable data-driven farming. So, just to give you a bit of perspective, the world\u2019s food production needs to increase by about 70 percent by 2050 to feed the growing population of the world. And I was at another meeting with different people, and there was a lady from the Rockefeller Foundation. And she mentioned that, you know what? We are talking of 70 percent to feed the world. But what about nourishing the world? The challenge is, even more, giving them nutritious food.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Host: Good food.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Ranveer Chandra: Yeah, good food. So how do we get there? So, it\u2019s like the green revolution all over again. Because we need to meet this food production demand without an increase in the amount of arable land. The amount of arable land is about the same. The water levels are receding. The challenge is even more. We would need to get there in a sustainable way. So agricultural scientists have been thinking about this problem. And the most promising technique seems to be that of data-driven farming. What we mean by data-driven farming is the ability to map a farm and overlay it with data. For example, what is my soil moisture level 6 inches below the soil? What is my soil nutrient level throughout the farm? If you can build maps like those, it can enable techniques such as precision agriculture. What we mean by precision agriculture is the ability to do site-specific applications. For example, rather than putting water uniformly throughout the farm, you apply it only where it is needed. Instead of spraying pesticide throughout the farm, you apply it only where there are pests. Precision agriculture has been shown to improve yield, reduce cost. It\u2019s also better for the environment. And once you can build maps like this, the other benefit that we got approached by some other companies, which were like, we could use this to improve seed phenotypes. It\u2019s not only about precision agriculture. It could also help with phenotyping, which can help feed the world. Precision agriculture was proposed back in the \u201880s, that technique. It still hasn\u2019t taken off 30 years down the line. And one of the main reasons it hasn\u2019t taken off is because of the cost of data-driven agriculture solutions. Just to give you an idea, there was an expo that I had attended where there were lots of companies presenting the precision agriculture equipment. And the cheapest sensors at that expo were 5 sensors for $8,000 and a recurring cost. For a farmer who doesn\u2019t make that much money, most of them, to invest in that kind of an infrastructure without knowing what the ROI, the return on investment is, is asking for too much. So, the goal of the Farm Beats Project is to bring down the costs of these data-driven agriculture solutions by 2 orders of magnitude. We want to bring it down from $8,000 to $80. And this is the goal. And we have some innovations based on which we think we can get there.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Host: Is there any connection to the White Space Project and the Farm Beats Project?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Ranveer Chandra: Yeah. So, one of the key reasons these existing sensors are expensive, is because of the cost of connecting these sensors to the cloud. Imagine if you\u2019re out in the middle of the farm, a lot of times you\u2019ll end up using satellite connectivity to connect them, or custom cellular. Because a lot of times you don\u2019t get cellular connectivity. You\u2019ll build your own base stations. So, the key insight in the context of agriculture was that TV towers are where people are, in cities. In Seattle, you have a lot of TV towers across the lake. The farms are away from the cities. There are fewer people in the farms. Because there are fewer people in the farms, you have fewer TV towers. What that means is you have a lot of empty TV channels. What that means is you have a lot of spectrum. We are talking of hundreds of megabytes of unused capacity, at which point we\u2019re not only connecting sensors, we could be connecting drones, cameras, streaming a lot of data from the middle of the farm that you previously couldn\u2019t gather. Our vision is just like Wi-Fi connects to your house, the TV white spaces can be used to connect the farm. And in our deployments, that\u2019s what we do. We set up this antenna in the farm. And miles around it now gets connected. You could be streaming data from the middle of nowhere. If you talk to agricultural scientists, the number one problem they face is that of getting data. So that\u2019s one of the innovations. The second thing we did was \u2013 so right now, if you wanted to build an accurate map, what is the soil moisture level 6 inches below the soil throughout my farm? Well, because soil moisture varies a lot, you would say, you know what, I\u2019ll deploy lots and lots of sensors. Well, deploying a lot of sensors is expensive to deploy, to manage. It also comes in the way of the farmer as the farmer does the day-to-day job. So, then the key innovation we came up with was a way to build this map using very few sensors. And the way we do that is we combined ground sensor data with aerial imagery, for example, using these UAVs, the drones. So, you fly your drone, get the visual image. We take that to train a machine-learning model using the ground sensor data, and then we use that\u2026 with very few sensors, we\u2019re able to build very accurate maps of the farm. So, using the TV white spaces, it brings down the costs of the sensors. Using this technology of fusing aerial imagery with drones, we need much fewer sensors than what you needed earlier. In the start of space or even in research, you see a lot of people working on drones. A lot of people working on sensors. We believe we are the first that\u2019s been able to combine both of them in a meaningful way. We did that for soil moisture, soil temperature, and soil ph. Once we presented it to other companies, they wanted to use it for many other use cases. They think this technology can now be used for many other applications in farming. The other innovation we came up with was, with the white spaces, we can gather a lot of data. You can send a lot of data from the drones from the cameras. You can be putting these cameras in barns monitoring cows. You can send all the data to the farmer\u2019s house, but the farmer\u2019s house doesn\u2019t have great connectivity to the internet. So, what we did was \u2013 our key insight was that most farmers have PCs. If they don\u2019t have a PC, we ship them an Azure IoT Edge device that sits on the farm, and this does a lot of compute, a lot of machine-learning sitting on the farm itself. It can be available offline and so on. And only sends the summaries to the cloud. And the fourth innovation we had was around power, where in Seattle, if I\u2019m using solar panels, you need to come up with that innovation around power. Especially in winter when you don\u2019t get a lot of sun, how do you get your system running? So, we had some innovations there as well. But this is the complete package of things that we call Farm Beats. We\u2019re able to gather a lot of data using the white spaces, and then apply new machine-learning on top of it using the technologies I mentioned to come up with insights.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Host: Yeah, this is going to be called the SMH podcast, because I even did background research, but \u2013 on you. This is fascinating and fantastic.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Ranveer Chandra: Thank you.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Host: Do you have to get the cows\u2019 permission? To monitor them?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Ranveer Chandra: That\u2019s a good question. We at least get the farmers\u2019 permission.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Host: We\u2019re going to watch your cows.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Ranveer Chandra: I know. Well, it\u2019s for their own \u2013 well, we\u2019re&#8230;<\/p>\n<p><strong>Host: For their own safety.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Ranveer Chandra: I know, and health. And we can tell when a cow is sick and things like that, yeah.<\/p>\n<p>Host: Yeah, it\u2019s like a nursery monitor. Is the kid crying? Is the kid okay?<\/p>\n<p><strong>(Music playing)<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Host: Let\u2019s talk a little bit about \u2013 this is \u2013 I\u2019m having so much fun here, and all I\u2019m doing is listening. Let\u2019s talk about tech transfer, which is kind of a broad term in the industry. It\u2019s probably the goal of most researchers to see, what you described earlier, your passion to see your work have an impact on other people\u2019s lives. But you have a lot of stuff going on that\u2019s tech transfer. Is that part of your DNA with your work here in Systems and Networking?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Ranveer Chandra: Yeah, and that was one of the reasons I had joined Microsoft Research in the first place. When I graduated from Cornell in 2005, all other places I had interviewed in were academic positions. This was the only industry lab I had considered. And the reason I wanted to come here is because I wanted to ship technology that touches people, that is in the hands of people. And Microsoft gives a really good vehicle to do that. Its technology is used everywhere, in anything you develop. If you can do a transfer to the products, your technology will reach out to so many people. The impact you create is huge, which, as an academic is difficult, it\u2019s not impossible, but much more difficult. Here, it\u2019s easier. And yeah, so with nearly all the projects, I have worked very closely with product teams, with the batteries, with virtual Wi-Fi, with white spaces, with Farm Beats. So, going back to your question, I do enjoy technology transfers. I enjoy working with the product teams, the engineers. The added realism to your research, where in research we are allowed to think wild, to think way ahead in the future of things that anyone else, if you tell anyone else, they\u2019ll say it\u2019s not possible. You can go target that question. And the engineers help you stay grounded at the same time. That is, yeah, you can come up with a wacky idea, but how do you take it to the real world? That\u2019s something which I think, being at Microsoft, that\u2019s an edge that you get while being here. You\u2019re in proximity to so many other researchers. You\u2019re in proximity to the engineers, to the sales team who actually talk to customers. And you go talk to customers as well. So, that\u2019s one of the strengths, one of the benefits of working at Microsoft Research.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Host: I love this so much. I\u2019ve got a Venn diagram going in my mind of interdisciplinary research efforts, you know, across different fields that you get here, and then you\u2019ve got the transfer into the product groups. I mean, I\u2019ve heard actually recently that there\u2019s researchers that end up in product groups, and I\u2019d call them \u201chuman tech transfer.\u201d But it\u2019s just sort of this dynamic flow of ideas and exchange. And I love the fact that you\u2019re saying, hey, how does this impact a customer, even, from a research perspective?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Ranveer Chandra: Yeah. No, over here you get the holistic view. And having been here at Microsoft for 13 years now, it adds a new perspective. Like, for example, with Farm Beats, it\u2019s a project, and our collaborators are from computer vision, machine learning, hardware, agriculture, audio, networking systems, batteries\u2026 You touch every possible research, and then you come up with something, and then you talk to customers. You further tweak your research in a way that can then actually transfer to the products as well. You\u2019re not just writing papers here at Microsoft.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Host:<\/strong> <strong>Yeah, which is exciting, even though the papers are fun<\/strong>.<\/p>\n<p>Ranveer Chandra: Yeah. Yeah.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Host:<\/strong> <strong>If you\u2019re like a writer.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Ranveer Chandra: Yeah.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Host: Harry Shum, refers to what he calls an invisible revolution. It\u2019s this system that becomes transparent, and you just have an experience with the technology without knowing. What\u2019s your take on the invisible revolution for technology?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Ranveer Chandra: Yeah, I think it\u2019s absolutely needed, and that\u2019s something where I\u2019m trying to push on that through my research as well. For example, with Farm Beats. Taking it to a farmer who might not even be tech-savvy. Most of them are not. And helping them benefit from all the latest advances in computer vision machine learning, networking, systems, all of that, bringing it to the farmer. But to the farmer, they don\u2019t realize all the things in the background that\u2019s making it happen. All they see is the benefits of that technology. Doing core research is important. The other part is taking that research in a way where it reaches everyone, it democratizes the technology, right? It gets to everyone out there, and everyone can benefit from the advances that you do. And I think more and more of it will happen.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Host: So, one of the things I\u2019m seeing here at Microsoft is a breadth of projects that really surprise me. How does this work at Microsoft, that you could do something in batteries, you could do something in functional programming languages, you could do something in quantum, you could do something on a farm?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Ranveer Chandra: Yeah, no, that\u2019s a great question. And this is something which is the unique aspect of Microsoft Research and Microsoft. And this is what I doubt you\u2019d get it anywhere else. And a lot of it is driven by our leadership, from Eric, to Harry, to Satya, where everyone\u2019s promoting this growth mindset within Microsoft, where you\u2019re coming to Microsoft not just because you\u2019re doing your job. You\u2019re coming here because it helps you fulfill a passion, something that you\u2019re excited about. That\u2019s one of the reasons I\u2019ve been able to do agriculture. And it\u2019s not something I\u2019m doing on the side without anyone else noticing. Everyone notices. Satya blogged about it. Harry talks about it. So, you see it at every level of our leadership, something where within Microsoft, there is this new culture, this new growth mindset, where our executives want us to take risks, want us to do something that has a bigger meaning than just your day job. And this is what I think you can do at Microsoft Research as well. Here, we get a lot of freedom. We are able to think big. The people around you are super smart. These are the best people in all the different areas of computer science, electrical engineering, and other fields. That\u2019s the encouragement that we get using which, we\u2019re able to take risks, take things to a new level. And this is one thing where people who are graduating, I would definitely recommend Microsoft for them, about these unique opportunities which I doubt you\u2019ll get anywhere else.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Host: You know, this whole podcast is an inspiration to \u201cnext generation.\u201d I mean, I\u2019m literally shaking my head. What advice, kind of parting thoughts would you give listeners that are interested in getting into this? What challenges lie ahead in the field that you think the next bright minds might need to tackle, want to tackle? What lines of research are top of mind right now?<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Ranveer Chandra: Yeah, so there are some lines of research which are hot in the research communities. Some other threads of research which I get excited about. I\u2019ll talk about the latter, because I want more and more people to work on those problems. And that has been the guiding force behind my thread of research as well, about how can you make technology more pervasive, bring the benefits of technology to many more people who are disadvantaged right now? One of the statistics I had given earlier was around half the world\u2019s population is still not connected to the internet, how can we get internet to everyone. Electricity, that\u2019s one of the other big problems in our lives right now. So, I\u2019m working on batteries and we start working on the electric grid as well \u2013 how do you get more people online in a clean way? With Farm Beats, we\u2019re looking at the agriculture problem\u2026 how do we feed the world, bring the benefits of all the technology that we\u2019re developing to the rest of the population? Just an advice to the audience listening to this, if you expand the scope of your research to have an element that touches humans, it gives you a different perspective around your research. Your energy levels don\u2019t go down. It gives an amazing amount of satisfaction working on these problems. And this is one thing I have seen, even with working with my interns. Initially, a lot of them, all of them, brilliant, like the best minds from all the top universities. Initially, all of them were working here, sitting in the lab. But the people, once they go out, once you see them going out and talking to farmers, doing this for \u2013 like one of the interns, he was from Harvard. He was doing the TV white spaces project. He was so motivated by this work that he went out over a weekend, he drove 1500 miles, stopping every 6 miles to measure what is the signal span there? He got pulled over by the cops a few times. We don\u2019t make all our interns do this. It\u2019s something he did, and&#8230; And the reason he was doing this was because of the impact that this technology could create. Since then, once this technology has been made legal, we\u2019ve connected so many people in rural parts of Africa, India, to the internet, using this technology. Same with interns here who worked on Farm Beats. They just love going to the farm, and a lot of times without even telling me. The excitement that they get by having the research touch so many lives is amazing. And that\u2019s one of the advice I would give, is it\u2019s important to do core research\u2026 let\u2019s just goes deeper and expand the state-of-the-art in computer science, in that particular field. While doing that, you can also be making the linkage with the end goal, that how does it benefit the world, how does it benefit humanity, how does it benefit people? How can I make technology more accessible to them so that their lives are better?<\/p>\n<p><strong>(Music plays)<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Host: Ranveer Chandra, you are using AI for good and not for evil and it\u2019s been an inspiration talking to you today. Again, this is the SMH interview. Thank you so much for coming in.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Ranveer Chandra: Thank you.<\/p>\n<p><strong>(Music plays)<\/strong><\/p>\n<p><strong>Host: To learn more about <a href=\"https:\/\/www.microsoft.com\/en-us\/research\/people\/ranveer\/\">Dr. Ranveer Chandra<\/a>, and how AI may be coming to a farm near you, visit <a href=\"https:\/\/www.microsoft.com\/en-us\/research\/\">Microsoft.com\/research<\/a>.<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Episode 18, April 4, 2018 &#8211; Dr. Chandra talks about how his research may eventually make your wi-fi signal stronger and your battery life longer, but also shares the story of how spending childhood summers with his grandparents in rural India inspired a line of research that could change the face of farming and help meet the food and nutrition needs of a growing global population.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":37074,"featured_media":477084,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"msr-url-field":"https:\/\/player.blubrry.com\/id\/32899435\/","msr-podcast-episode":"","msrModifiedDate":"","msrModifiedDateEnabled":false,"ep_exclude_from_search":false,"_classifai_error":"","footnotes":""},"categories":[241770,240054,194463,194464],"tags":[],"research-area":[13556,13547,13568],"msr-region":[],"msr-event-type":[],"msr-locale":[268875],"msr-post-option":[],"msr-impact-theme":[],"msr-promo-type":[],"msr-podcast-series":[],"class_list":["post-477075","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-artificial-intelligence","category-msr-podcast","category-systems","category-technology-for-emerging-markets","msr-research-area-artificial-intelligence","msr-research-area-systems-and-networking","msr-research-area-technology-for-emerging-markets","msr-locale-en_us"],"msr_event_details":{"start":"","end":"","location":""},"podcast_url":"https:\/\/player.blubrry.com\/id\/32899435\/","podcast_episode":"","msr_research_lab":[199562,199565],"msr_impact_theme":[],"related-publications":[],"related-downloads":[],"related-videos":[],"related-academic-programs":[],"related-groups":[144899,442950,714067],"related-projects":[881235,239387],"related-events":[],"related-researchers":[],"msr_type":"Post","featured_image_thumbnail":"<img width=\"480\" height=\"280\" src=\"https:\/\/www.microsoft.com\/en-us\/research\/uploads\/prod\/2018\/03\/PodcastRanveerChandra_Carousel_03_2018_480x280.jpg\" class=\"img-object-cover\" alt=\"Ranveer Chandra smiling at the camera\" decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.microsoft.com\/en-us\/research\/uploads\/prod\/2018\/03\/PodcastRanveerChandra_Carousel_03_2018_480x280.jpg 480w, https:\/\/www.microsoft.com\/en-us\/research\/uploads\/prod\/2018\/03\/PodcastRanveerChandra_Carousel_03_2018_480x280-300x175.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 480px) 100vw, 480px\" \/>","byline":"","formattedDate":"April 4, 2018","formattedExcerpt":"Episode 18, April 4, 2018 - 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